diff --git a/light9/fade/Light9FadeUi.ts b/light9/fade/Light9FadeUi.ts
--- a/light9/fade/Light9FadeUi.ts
+++ b/light9/fade/Light9FadeUi.ts
@@ -143,14 +143,15 @@ export class Light9Fader extends LitElem
       // console.timeEnd(`valueSync ${this.uri.value}`)
       return;
     }
-
-    this.value = graph.floatValue(this.uri, graph.Uri(":value"));
+    const st = graph.uriValue(this.uri, U(":setting"));
+    this.value = graph.floatValue(st, graph.Uri(":value"));
   }
 
   onSliderInput(ev: CustomEvent) {
     if (this.graph === undefined) {
       return;
     }
+    const U = this.graph.U();
     const prev = this.value;
     const v: number = (ev.target as any).valueAsNumber;
     this.value = parseFloat(v.toPrecision(3)); // rewrite pls
@@ -158,7 +159,10 @@ export class Light9Fader extends LitElem
       return;
     }
     meter.tick();
-    this.graph.patchObject(this.uri, this.graph.Uri(":value"), this.graph.LiteralRoundedFloat(this.value), this.ctx);
+    if (!this.setting) {
+      throw new Error("can't make new settings yet");
+    }
+    this.graph.patchObject(this.setting, this.graph.Uri(":value"), this.graph.LiteralRoundedFloat(this.value), this.ctx);
   }
 
   onEffectChange(ev: CustomEvent) {